Beyond Extraordinary Ep. 11: The PODcast with Diana Learn and Natalina

With all of its pitfalls and problems, I will forever be grateful to social networking because through that medium, I’ve made friends that I’d never have been able to meet without the online connection.  One of the closest connections I’ve made through Facebook has been Diana Learn.  In a relatively short amount of time, we realized that we not only have a lot in common, but we’re actually just two peas in a pod.  It only made sense for us to bring the pod to Beyond Extraordinary.  For this episode, we’ve cleared just enough space in the pod for you all to join us on what we’re affectionately calling… The PODcast with Diana Learn and Natalina.

The PODcast with Diana Learn and Natalina

In this fun and informative episode, Diana and I are not interviewer and interviewee.  Rather, this is a conversation between two opinionated gals, perhaps having imbibed a bit too much caffeine, talking about issues that matter to us.  We discuss everything from anti-intellectualism to the role of women in ministry to Christmas.  Oh…. and some fabulous old dead guys.

We hope that you’ll put on your favorite fuzzy slippers, pour yourself a cuppa Joe (volcanic or otherwise), and join us for the conversation.  Thanks for stopping by the Pod!

You will definitely want to stick around all the way past the end credits, as I’ve slipped in a little bonus feature that might make you giggle.

*Super cute pea pod graphic by the awesome and talented Mike Learn*

Btw, my intro came out very quiet. So if you crank up the volume for the beginning, just get ready because once the podcast really starts going, I’ll be screaming at you. This will occur around the 3 minute mark :D

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Diana’s Blog:  Dysbelief – Shattering Anti-Intellectualism with Faith

Men’s and women’s brains: the truth! As research proves the sexes’ brains ARE wired differently

Francis Schaeffer: How Should We Then Live? (Full-Length Documentary)

Francis Schaeffer Collection

Martyn Lloyd Jones –

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The Virtuous Woman

We weren’t making this stuff up:


The PODcast with Diana Learn and Natalina




  1. Adam

    This is a show that proved there are definitely a few things women can do better than men. I have never been so entertained while being so edified as I am when I listen to Nat’s podcasts and I could really tell there is a deep bond between these two ladies and the resulting chemistry was very evident. Should girls be lead pastors? I dont think so but I will tell you what they should do. They should keep making great podcasts. And I absolutely agree with you ladies about Christmas. I hope we can expect more from this collaboration.

  2. Gina

    Don’t do Facebook, so I’ll just make a few comments here. Thoroughly enjoyed your podcast with Diana. You discussed many interesting topics. My comment to Diana about gender-separate bible studies: In my experience, the men’s study group material is hardly more in-depth than the women’s. My suspicion is that if your group is studying Joyce Meyer, the men are likely studying something of the same, only directed toward being a godly man, etc. Sadly, too many churches pick up their curricula at Lifeway. If you don’t feel fed by your bible study, START ONE in your home. Many churches would encourage their members to host independent study.

    Re Christmas celebration: If I did not have a family to answer to, I would probably not have a tree in my home. While I certainly don’t see it representing genitalia (!) and it is not an idol to me, I do recognize its pagan origins (Jeremiah 10), and I don’t just don’t feel such trappings honor Jesus in any way. I would never tell anyone else not to celebrate Christmas, and it certainly doesn’t affect anyone’s salvation. It’s a personal thing, and I really don’t feel I’m being legalistic about it. I guess you’d call it a preference? That said, I agree that it is a perfect season to share the hope that is in us.

    I respect both of you for requiring some sort of intellectual understanding of Christ before surrendering to him. I was much like Diana in that I was raised in the church, and scripture was my go-to explanation for everything (“The bible says so!) until I was in middle school and an older friend told me to “OPEN YOUR MIND!” That I did and to such an extent that my brains nearly fell out. Many years later, I have now come back to Him because He has the answers, but at this point, I have a daughter in college who is just TOO intellectual to consider Christianity. And I would love to know how to reach her. Do you and Diana think Schaeffer would be a good place to start?

    Again, I’ve started following your work and I think you’re doing a great service to believer and non-believers alike. Keep it up! God bless.


    • Gina

      You know, you could be right about the Men’s Bible study, but the reason I feel that they are doing something super cool in there on Sunday nights (those sneaky men), is because my pastor is also and author, and before I went to the church I picked up 2 of his books and in the credits he thanks his Men’s Bible study for helping him work through all of the big ideas in his book! I could just be jealous. :)

      It is hard to say whether Schaeffer will be the right person for your daughter Gina. It really depends on if she is interested in answers. He is very highbrow and people will either absolutely LOVE him (like I did), or they will not “get” him. It is a matter of style. Does she have a seeking attitude at this time? Does she lean toward the philosophical? If the answers to those questions are yes, Schaeffer may be PERFECT for her.

      If she is not really in a place where she thinks she is lacking, it may just not be her time yet and the best thing to do is to pray that she will run up against a wall that her own worldview cannot handle. You can also craft your questions to her so that she is forced to think about her worldview and take those beliefs out to their logical conclusion. What does she believe are the origins of the cosmos? Are we an accident of time and matter and energy? If that is true, what is the basis of morality and purpose? What keeps cruelty in check? These are the questions that Schaeffer will attack over and over.

      Thank you for the kind words and God Bless!

  3. Jo Trombley

    Good show!

  4. natalina

    Thanks so much for your kind words Gina, Adam, and Jo! You rock!

  5. Todd in NH

    This was the first episode of Beyond Extraordinary I ever listened to and what a pleasure it was. Such a break from the normal Christian podcasting. So much fun to hear these two friends exchanging stories and sharing some laughs but it isn’t all fun and games. Diana and Natalina bring some serious commentary to some serious issues – displaying very competent understanding of some tough issues. I appreciated this show very much and am now digging into the podcast archives. Thanks ladies. Merry Christmas.

  6. Davey D.

    Great show Natalina-

    I was right there with you guys and I felt that I was hearing two life long friends conversing. Open mindedness is essentail to human relationships and ministry in general. The quote I like best is
    “There will always be a frontier where there is an open mind and a willing hand” (Charles Kettering). The topic of Unicorns in the Bible has intrigued me since I was a child. We used to sing a song titled The Unicorn song by the Irish Rovers. The lyrics explain what happened to the Unicorns-

    “Hey Lord,”

    “I got Your green alligators and long-necked geese,
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees.
    Some cats and rats and elephants, but Lord, I’m so forlorn,
    I just can’t see no unicorns!”

    And Noah looked out through the driving rain,
    Them unicorns were hiding, playing silly games.
    They were kickin’ and splashin’ while the rain was pourin’,
    Oh, them silly unicorns!

    There was green alligators and long-necked geese,
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees.
    Noah cried, “Close the door ’cause the rain is just pourin’,
    And we just cannot wait for no unicorn!”

    The ark started moving, and it drifted with the tide,
    And them unicorns looked up from the rocks and they cried.
    And the waters come down and sort of floated them away,
    That’s why you never seen a unicorn to this very day.

    But you’ll see green alligators and long-necked geese,
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees.
    Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you’re born,
    You’re never gonna see no unicorn!

    Bless you once again my friend,

    Pastor Dave

  7. Catherine

    The role of women has historically been influenced by the behavior of men. Although I agree with all the scriptures you sited and your interpretation of what the Bible says about the roles of women and men, I have felt for a very long time that the bad treatment of women and children in every society in the world has had an adverse effect on this role. A man can only be a true leader if he is obedient to The Lord. An UN-Godly man in the role of leader is just on a power trip. This is the reason I see that women have historically rebelled in our society. In my personal experience, my husband deserted his family and I had to raise two sons by myself. I had to be the leader by default. Everything looks different from this point of view. When you are a single parent juggling every role and constantly striving, a patronizing remark from a guy at church who wants to fully embody his role as a male leader is an invitation to commit a sin of anger. I hate to say that very few people in the church ever understood my plight as a single parent. I share this for any single parent out there who knows what I am talking about. The good news is that my partner as a parent was Jesus. In the end, my most important role is to be His child which becomes the great equalizer for us all.
    Thank-you for this thought-provoking episode.

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